The Elephant destroys mattresses with its girth. Nobody wants to rent the room after seeing the post-Elephantine-coitus bed. Pretty much it's new bed time after Elefante has spent a few minutes on it. I'm sure the ancillary damage is just as bad.
Hey, Smithee, thanks for picking this up. Seeing as how I considered it a sort of "throwaway" gag -- anybody who hasn't been living in a cave for the past twenty years has already figured out that these two are totally in bed with each other -- I'm still amazed at the minor shitstorm this piece has kicked up over at Corrente. Along with the fair number of fans I've got there (already) sticking up for it, it's also attracted the usual bunch of dogmatist PC feminist types pissing and moaning about my trivializing rape and how my accompanying commentary is sexist and stereotypes women; one wag snarks that she "reads Flugennock cartoons so that you don't have to".
Luckily, one of the comments on the "fan" side managed to notice and point out how the donkey is, in fact, in the center of the bed -- something all the pissers and moaners failed to notice because they were all too busy pissing and moaning about my failure to toe the PC line.
Thank the FSM I've learned to not give a shit who likes my stuff and who doesn't.
Mike, am I the only person who thinks that w/o the commentary they could just as easily be two dudes or two ladies? Or the R could be female and the D could be male?
[shrug]
Professor Lambert dismissed me from the space last week. Apparently my term papers were not passing muster. Otherwise I would've commented.
Perhaps I am insufficiently attuned to the world of feminism, but sexing an anthropomorphic cartoon animal strikes me as about as great a waste of time as speculating about the sexual preferences of a Teletubby.
I just found the Corrente thread and read the commentary. My first reaction was WTF?—as in where the fuck was rape even implied? The whole point of the cartoon is that the Democrats are in bed with the Republicans by common consent. Jesus Christ, is it really that hard to interpret a one-panel political cartoon these days?
Holy-Fucked-Up-Hillary! The butthurt squad descended on that thread like the wrath of fucking Zeus! It's like a thread over at Shake-A-Puddin' but without the obsequious ass-kissing. Maybe I've got Corrente in the wrong category...
ms_xeno sez: Mike, am I the only person who thinks that w/o the commentary they could just as easily be two dudes or two ladies? Or the R could be female and the D could be male?
Huh, wow. I never thought of that. Well, actually, I did, but I wasn't sure if it'd come across the way I wanted if I'd switched genders or made them both the same gender (after all, these are anthrophomorphic symbolic cartoon animals we're talking about, here).
I ended up with the elephant (GOP) as male owing to the GOP constantly getting all bad-assed about strength and power, and their expressed desire to subjugate women. So, the donkey (Dems) ended up as the "woman" in this scene as, quite honestly, they seemed to me to be exhibiting all the traits of a woman in an exploitive and abusive relationship -- and, ironically, in turn, exhibiting the traits of the abuser in their relationship to their progressive base.
That Corrente thread is ludicrous. At best, 5% of the shit I see at Corrente is noteworthy. The remainder is Enlightened Liberal nonsense, talking down to the people supposedly being helped. That's what people who are "reform-minded" in theory, but clueless in practice, often look like. Upper-middles who pretend at empathy for lower-middles and lowers, while otherwise doing their personal best to erase any trace of lower-middle (or lower) class origins in themselves.
It's funny, but I'm sure the Runners at The Crystal Chandelier don't intend it be so.
Charles F. Oxtrot sez: That Corrente thread is ludicrous. At best, 5% of the shit I see at Corrente is noteworthy. The remainder is Enlightened Liberal nonsense, talking down to the people supposedly being helped...
Interesting...I've been reading Corrente for about a month or so, and have been down with pretty much everything I've read there. I didn't notice any "talking down" tone right off, but now that I think of it, you could have a point.
I opened up a blog space and started posting my cartoons there a couple of weeks or so ago, and they've been going over really well. Jeez, I'd hate to think what that says about me.
Perhaps I am insufficiently attuned to the world of feminism, but sexing an anthropomorphic cartoon animal strikes me as about as great a waste of time as speculating about the sexual preferences of a Teletubby.
Hey, now. If I can't shake the three inches of dust off my art degree and put it to dubious use once in a while, I don't wanna' be part of your revolution. ;)
...Interesting...I've been reading Corrente for about a month or so, and have been down with pretty much everything I've read there. I didn't notice any "talking down" tone right off, but now that I think of it, you could have a point...
About the only person I really noticed talking down to me was the blog owner. Hey, I'm sorry that I think it's on the clueless side to berate Obama and not Bill Clinton, considering how much their worldviews have in common. I'm sorry that I don't produce links on demand for the Clinton-o-philes to roundly ignore while they complain that anyone who doesn't kiss Billy Boy's feet suffers from "derangement syndrome" or whatever.
As to Oxtrot's complaints: [shrug].* I have no idea who's upper class, middle class, or whatever over there and I don't much care. However, it's a shame that I can't invite Lambert & Co. to work my shitty job forty hours a week for a week or two. I've seen healthy young dudes half my age totally exhausted from that shit by the time Friday rolls around. I'd like to see how ready Lambert and the rest are to joyfully play Musical Link Marathon with people who call them "deranged" after a week of in my RL world.
*Heh. At least one asshole over there told me that my hatred of Bill Clinton and his DLC buddies is the same as hating the poor. *Why must the Left hate the poor!!?? Bawww!!* When I complained, lambert rushed in to defend the poor abused pro-Clintonite and loftily informed me that I could leave anytime because "there are other blogs out there." Such a prince, that one.
ms_xeno sez: As to Oxtrot's complaints: [shrug].* I have no idea who's upper class, middle class, or whatever over there and I don't much care...
Actually, now that I think back, Oxtrot has a point about a bias against lower-middle class types over there, although like you, I have no idea who's upper-middle, middle-middle, or lower-middle over there, either -- like the saying goes, "on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog". Still, from the "flavor" of the writing, there seems to be a definite slant towards the NPR-donating, organic-vegetable-eating, Prius-driving demographic -- while I, according to my GWU PoliSci degree-packing wife, am apparently lower-middle, in part due to my coming from a military family (20 years, Germany twice, with a hitch in Vietnam for Dad in between TDYs in Germany).
Whatever. If that's the case, I'll wear my t-shirt-and-Levi's, beer-drinking, bong-hitting, pizza-eating, too-loud-Led-Zeppelin-album-playing badge of honor proudly.
Maybe it can't be played too loud, but it sure as hell can be played too often. :p Especially where I work. [groan]
I like jazz and I have a compost bin. My father was drafted, but he hated every second of it and never hesitated to say so. Into the lake of fire with me, I guess.
I love showing Mike's toons to coworkers who voted for Oilbummer, especially the O middle finger to hippies one. Fucking genius. It cracks me up on a bad workday.
Mike, keep up the good work. A lot of liberals have NO sense of humor.
Beyond the Pwoggiedome said... I love showing Mike's toons to coworkers who voted for Oilbummer, especially the O middle finger to hippies one. Fucking genius.
MediaGhost said... ...I'll second that, BtP. The Fucking Hippies one is awesome.
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Thanks, gang. That one's already an all-time personal fave. I came up with that by combinging Joe Biden's "whiners" speech with Obama's pissy Rolling Stone interview, throwing out all the unimportant bits, and compressing the rest down into a single rock-hard nugget of truth.
It was actually a follow-up gag that hit me as I was doing the first version of Obama Flipping The Bird for the top of Yes, We Can!
ms_xeno sez: Professor Lambert dismissed me from the space last week. Apparently my term papers were not passing muster. Otherwise I would've commented.
Move over. I was just bounced not half an hour ago. I suspect it was for a comment on a post about Sarah Palin's new reality TV show -- the comment was a bit off the hook, but it wasn't like they aren't familiar with my style of humor over there. The original poster opened the review with something like "I like Sarah Palin, but not for her politics", and I figured with something like that pretty much left the door wide open.
So, I commented to the effect that I dug Sarah Palin also, and also not for her politics, and that she was, in fact, my number-one fantasy hate-fuck until last spring, when she was aced out by Carrie Prejean.
I'll add no more paint to that picture other than to say it involved oblique references to '55 Cadillac bumper bullets and an old Firesign Theatre gag.
M'eh, it was fun while it lasted. If I hadn't been canned, I probably would've gotten bored and dropped off. My consolation is that Lenny Bruce probably would've been tossed off of Corrente also.
Mike F., blathering about whether or not you'd jump in bed with Palin is about as clever and cutting-edge as re-enacting an Andrew Dice Clay routine with finger puppets. Seriously. What is it with dudes who think women they meet in political circles want to hear ad nauseum about who you would or wouldn't fuck?
Christ.
I wouldn't have booted you for it personally, but I might have tried to figure out if LJ allows disemvowelling of posts that make one go, "Oh, Fuck. Not THIS shit again!"
I wouldn't mind it so much if I wasn't always the poor slob who got stuck with their motel bill.
ReplyDeleteWe also get stuck with paying for their theater tickets, dinner & box of extra-small Trojans.
ReplyDeletems_x, those bills must be huge.
ReplyDeleteThe Elephant destroys mattresses with its girth. Nobody wants to rent the room after seeing the post-Elephantine-coitus bed. Pretty much it's new bed time after Elefante has spent a few minutes on it. I'm sure the ancillary damage is just as bad.
Hey, Smithee, thanks for picking this up. Seeing as how I considered it a sort of "throwaway" gag -- anybody who hasn't been living in a cave for the past twenty years has already figured out that these two are totally in bed with each other -- I'm still amazed at the minor shitstorm this piece has kicked up over at Corrente. Along with the fair number of fans I've got there (already) sticking up for it, it's also attracted the usual bunch of dogmatist PC feminist types pissing and moaning about my trivializing rape and how my accompanying commentary is sexist and stereotypes women; one wag snarks that she "reads Flugennock cartoons so that you don't have to".
ReplyDeleteLuckily, one of the comments on the "fan" side managed to notice and point out how the donkey is, in fact, in the center of the bed -- something all the pissers and moaners failed to notice because they were all too busy pissing and moaning about my failure to toe the PC line.
Thank the FSM I've learned to not give a shit who likes my stuff and who doesn't.
[is confused]
ReplyDeleteMike, am I the only person who thinks that w/o the commentary they could just as easily be two dudes or two ladies? Or the R could be female and the D could be male?
[shrug]
Professor Lambert dismissed me from the space last week. Apparently my term papers were not passing muster. Otherwise I would've commented.
Oxtrot:
ReplyDeleteThe Elephant destroys mattresses with its girth...
You skinny types always get so jealous when one of us rotund types ends up getting more than you. :p
Perhaps I am insufficiently attuned to the world of feminism, but sexing an anthropomorphic cartoon animal strikes me as about as great a waste of time as speculating about the sexual preferences of a Teletubby.
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ReplyDeleteI should really preview these posts....
ReplyDeleteI just found the Corrente thread and read the commentary. My first reaction was WTF?—as in where the fuck was rape even implied? The whole point of the cartoon is that the Democrats are in bed with the Republicans by common consent. Jesus Christ, is it really that hard to interpret a one-panel political cartoon these days?
Holy-Fucked-Up-Hillary! The butthurt squad descended on that thread like the wrath of fucking Zeus! It's like a thread over at Shake-A-Puddin' but without the obsequious ass-kissing. Maybe I've got Corrente in the wrong category...
ReplyDeletems_xeno sez:
ReplyDeleteMike, am I the only person who thinks that w/o the commentary they could just as easily be two dudes or two ladies? Or the R could be female and the D could be male?
Huh, wow. I never thought of that. Well, actually, I did, but I wasn't sure if it'd come across the way I wanted if I'd switched genders or made them both the same gender (after all, these are anthrophomorphic symbolic cartoon animals we're talking about, here).
I ended up with the elephant (GOP) as male owing to the GOP constantly getting all bad-assed about strength and power, and their expressed desire to subjugate women. So, the donkey (Dems) ended up as the "woman" in this scene as, quite honestly, they seemed to me to be exhibiting all the traits of a woman in an exploitive and abusive relationship -- and, ironically, in turn, exhibiting the traits of the abuser in their relationship to their progressive base.
That Corrente thread is ludicrous. At best, 5% of the shit I see at Corrente is noteworthy. The remainder is Enlightened Liberal nonsense, talking down to the people supposedly being helped. That's what people who are "reform-minded" in theory, but clueless in practice, often look like. Upper-middles who pretend at empathy for lower-middles and lowers, while otherwise doing their personal best to erase any trace of lower-middle (or lower) class origins in themselves.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny, but I'm sure the Runners at The Crystal Chandelier don't intend it be so.
Charles F. Oxtrot sez:
ReplyDeleteThat Corrente thread is ludicrous. At best, 5% of the shit I see at Corrente is noteworthy. The remainder is Enlightened Liberal nonsense, talking down to the people supposedly being helped...
Interesting...I've been reading Corrente for about a month or so, and have been down with pretty much everything I've read there. I didn't notice any "talking down" tone right off, but now that I think of it, you could have a point.
I opened up a blog space and started posting my cartoons there a couple of weeks or so ago, and they've been going over really well. Jeez, I'd hate to think what that says about me.
Your cartoons are in the 5%, Mike.
ReplyDeleteThe condescension isn't always overt, but it was on fine display in the thread covering the above cartoon.
I sense it more in the form of "we're enlightened people and we truly want to help those less fortunate by dictating to them what they need and want."
Null wrote:
ReplyDeletePerhaps I am insufficiently attuned to the world of feminism, but sexing an anthropomorphic cartoon animal strikes me as about as great a waste of time as speculating about the sexual preferences of a Teletubby.
Hey, now. If I can't shake the three inches of dust off my art degree and put it to dubious use once in a while, I don't wanna' be part of your revolution. ;)
Mike F. wrote:
ReplyDelete...Interesting...I've been reading Corrente for about a month or so, and have been down with pretty much everything I've read there. I didn't notice any "talking down" tone right off, but now that I think of it, you could have a point...
About the only person I really noticed talking down to me was the blog owner. Hey, I'm sorry that I think it's on the clueless side to berate Obama and not Bill Clinton, considering how much their worldviews have in common. I'm sorry that I don't produce links on demand for the Clinton-o-philes to roundly ignore while they complain that anyone who doesn't kiss Billy Boy's feet suffers from "derangement syndrome" or whatever.
As to Oxtrot's complaints: [shrug].* I have no idea who's upper class, middle class, or whatever over there and I don't much care. However, it's a shame that I can't invite Lambert & Co. to work my shitty job forty hours a week for a week or two. I've seen healthy young dudes half my age totally exhausted from that shit by the time Friday rolls around. I'd like to see how ready Lambert and the rest are to joyfully play Musical Link Marathon with people who call them "deranged" after a week of in my RL world.
*Heh. At least one asshole over there told me that my hatred of Bill Clinton and his DLC buddies is the same as hating the poor. *Why must the Left hate the poor!!?? Bawww!!* When I complained, lambert rushed in to defend the poor abused pro-Clintonite and loftily informed me that I could leave anytime because "there are other blogs out there." Such a prince, that one.
ms_xeno sez:
ReplyDeleteAs to Oxtrot's complaints: [shrug].* I have no idea who's upper class, middle class, or whatever over there and I don't much care...
Actually, now that I think back, Oxtrot has a point about a bias against lower-middle class types over there, although like you, I have no idea who's upper-middle, middle-middle, or lower-middle over there, either -- like the saying goes, "on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog". Still, from the "flavor" of the writing, there seems to be a definite slant towards the NPR-donating, organic-vegetable-eating, Prius-driving demographic -- while I, according to my GWU PoliSci degree-packing wife, am apparently lower-middle, in part due to my coming from a military family (20 years, Germany twice, with a hitch in Vietnam for Dad in between TDYs in Germany).
Whatever. If that's the case, I'll wear my t-shirt-and-Levi's, beer-drinking, bong-hitting, pizza-eating, too-loud-Led-Zeppelin-album-playing badge of honor proudly.
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(My verification word: preelunk.
Zep can never be played too loud.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it can't be played too loud, but it sure as hell can be played too often. :p Especially where I work. [groan]
ReplyDeleteI like jazz and I have a compost bin. My father was drafted, but he hated every second of it and never hesitated to say so. Into the lake of fire with me, I guess.
I love showing Mike's toons to coworkers who voted for Oilbummer, especially the O middle finger to hippies one. Fucking genius. It cracks me up on a bad workday.
ReplyDeleteMike, keep up the good work. A lot of liberals have NO sense of humor.
Don't worry, Ms. X. There's always Blue Oyster Cult. (Kidding!)
ReplyDeleteI'll second that, BtP. The Fucking Hippies one is awesome.
Beyond the Pwoggiedome said...
ReplyDeleteI love showing Mike's toons to coworkers who voted for Oilbummer, especially the O middle finger to hippies one. Fucking genius.
MediaGhost said...
...I'll second that, BtP. The Fucking Hippies one is awesome.
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Thanks, gang. That one's already an all-time personal fave. I came up with that by combinging Joe Biden's "whiners" speech with Obama's pissy Rolling Stone interview, throwing out all the unimportant bits, and compressing the rest down into a single rock-hard nugget of truth.
It was actually a follow-up gag that hit me as I was doing the first version of Obama Flipping The Bird for the top of Yes, We Can!
ms_xeno sez:
ReplyDeleteProfessor Lambert dismissed me from the space last week. Apparently my term papers were not passing muster. Otherwise I would've commented.
Move over. I was just bounced not half an hour ago. I suspect it was for a comment on a post about Sarah Palin's new reality TV show -- the comment was a bit off the hook, but it wasn't like they aren't familiar with my style of humor over there. The original poster opened the review with something like "I like Sarah Palin, but not for her politics", and I figured with something like that pretty much left the door wide open.
So, I commented to the effect that I dug Sarah Palin also, and also not for her politics, and that she was, in fact, my number-one fantasy hate-fuck until last spring, when she was aced out by Carrie Prejean.
I'll add no more paint to that picture other than to say it involved oblique references to '55 Cadillac bumper bullets and an old Firesign Theatre gag.
M'eh, it was fun while it lasted. If I hadn't been canned, I probably would've gotten bored and dropped off. My consolation is that Lenny Bruce probably would've been tossed off of Corrente also.
Mike F., blathering about whether or not you'd jump in bed with Palin is about as clever and cutting-edge as re-enacting an Andrew Dice Clay routine with finger puppets. Seriously. What is it with dudes who think women they meet in political circles want to hear ad nauseum about who you would or wouldn't fuck?
ReplyDeleteChrist.
I wouldn't have booted you for it personally, but I might have tried to figure out if LJ allows disemvowelling of posts that make one go, "Oh, Fuck. Not THIS shit again!"