tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post7852394201906800499..comments2023-06-19T02:55:00.081-07:00Comments on Dirty Greenie Hippy: “There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.”AlanSmitheehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14302036848656627300noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-82347313529693220372010-03-10T16:48:00.011-08:002010-03-10T16:48:00.011-08:00"Trouble is, Anon, I could "self-reflect..."Trouble is, Anon, I could "self-reflect" until the cows come home, and it still wouldn't mean fuck-all to the people in Smithee's rogue's gallery. Great. We agree that using "-tard" is a suffix is hurtful and stupid. What happens after that? Anything else?"<br /><br />Why does that matter to this conversation? Ending the use of ableist language is a positive end in and of itself. I don't see how anyone can claim to be a true progressive--to the point where you feel like you get to be the arbiter of who is a real progressive and who is a "pwog"--and not understand that basic concept. <br /><br />And not one of you has defended the use of abelist language or explained how it doesn't hurt disabled people. All most of you have done is deflect and insult anyone who calls you on your own bullshit.Souzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350614079264190044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-35034032616617293572010-02-01T06:07:22.885-08:002010-02-01T06:07:22.885-08:00ms_xeno writes...
Have I mentioned, BTW, that Oreg...<b>ms_xeno writes...</b><br /><i>Have I mentioned, BTW, that Oregon just voted to raise the minimum corporate income tax for the first time in about eighty years?</i><br /><br />Yeah, caught that news yesterday. <i>Huzzah, boo yah!</i> The first thing I heard as I emerged from REM phase this morning was Joe Scarborough and his minions pissing and moaning about that. For the first few seconds I was awake I didn't know what they were bitching about, but as soon as I was coherent enough to realize they were talking about the Oregon vote, I got a big smile on my sleepy face; it was music to my ears to hear Scarborough and crew howling about how horrible it was. P'ah, yeah, choke on <i>this</i> rod, muthafuckahs.<br /><br /><br /><b>ms_xeno writes...</b><br /><i>I really wish I were Mike F., because I'd love to draw a fancy-ass cartoon of all the big-name corporate whiners here (Nike, et al-- who spent a shitload of money to plead that they were too poor to pay more than ten fucking dollars in taxes per year) re-enacting that last flight on that last helicopter out of Saigon, if you get my drift.<br /></i><br />As far as a cartoon about that one... yeah, that'd be a helluva topic, except I'm not sure how many people remember -- and savored, as I did -- the iconic news foto of the last chopper leaving the roof of the US Embassy with, iirc, a small gaggle of desperate Vietnamese hanging onto the landing gear.<br /><br />Also, right now, I'm incubating an idea about President Timberlake's proposed spending "freeze" on everything but the military and "security"-related spending, and trying to figure out how to do it without "Herblocking" it -- that is, labeling all the symbolic metaphorical figures (all you other old Herblock fans, you know what I'm talking about)... y'know, like:<br /><br />http://sinkers.org/stage/?p=536<br />http://sinkers.org/stage/?p=517<br /><br />Sadly, I don't have a major city daily paying me a decent salary to come up with a cartoon every day -- my big dream as a kid cartoonist on my high-school paper was to one day take Herblock's job -- so I'm kind of stuck trying to sneak in a cartoon whenever I can while trying to rustle up some work, so the Oregon topic will probably get "cold" before I can come up with anything, while the "spending freeze" brouhaha will be "hot" for a while.mike flugennockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794510018915607552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-13846150038049980402010-01-31T19:14:49.029-08:002010-01-31T19:14:49.029-08:00Mike -- aaaahhhh, exactly.
Today I was talking to...Mike -- aaaahhhh, exactly.<br /><br />Today I was talking to a friend about hard-sell tactics. He owns a bike shop. Reputable mid-size brand MTB co wants him to carry their bikes. Friend says "maybe one at a time, but I have no interest in carrying a line... happy to carry catalogs and order them one at a time." Rep insists things will work out better if fleet orders happen. Better <b><i>for whom?</i></b><br /><br />The idea that people <b><i>owe</i></b> their votes to Democratic candidates, no matter who are those candidates... it reminds me of the same objection I have to the hard sell. Voting for a Democrat that I don't like, just to vote for a Democrat... that's better <b><i>for whom?</i></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-39542807807658388412010-01-31T11:08:55.316-08:002010-01-31T11:08:55.316-08:00Have I mentioned, BTW, that Oregon just voted to r...Have I mentioned, BTW, that Oregon just voted to raise the minimum corporate income tax for the first time in about eighty years? Chalk up to the shit economy that a crucial chunk of voters temporarily forgot to be delusional idjits who are just that <i>one</i> Powerball ticket away from The Good Life.<br /><br />I really wish I were Mike F., because I'd love to draw a fancy-ass cartoon of all the big-name corporate whiners here (Nike, et al-- who spent a shitload of money to plead that they were too poor to pay more than ten fucking dollars in taxes per year) re-enacting that last flight on that last helicopter out of Saigon, if you get my drift.ms_xenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948475740337847343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-82896913664809752662010-01-31T10:59:09.437-08:002010-01-31T10:59:09.437-08:00And with that, Anony skipped off to his room for a...And with that, Anony skipped off to his room for a good pout.<br /><br />The End.AlanSmitheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14302036848656627300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-21242260418536552052010-01-31T10:35:31.805-08:002010-01-31T10:35:31.805-08:00@ Charles F. Oxtrot:
"Vote stealer"? P&...<b>@ Charles F. Oxtrot:</b><br /><br />"Vote stealer"? P'ahh ha ha ha ha hahh. I love how the Demotards are still wringing their hands over '00. They really do still think that it's Ralph Nader's fault that they nominated a boring-assed, arrogant, know-it-all corporate tool who ran a phoned-in campaign and didn't even have the balls to take his own side in a fight.<br /><br />It's pretty astounding to see they're still hammering on that tired old "vote stealing" riff. You can almost hear the sense of entitlement oozing out of a Demotard's pores as he bitches and whines about Ralph Nader exercising his right as a citizen to run for public office and provide a choice for people trapped in a system where there are no real choices. What motherfucking <i>gall</i> that Nader had, huh? Looks like back when he should've been in Civics class, your average Demotard was out sneaking a cigarette by the football field. Protip for Demotards: your party's votes weren't "stolen" because <i>they don't fucking <b>belong</b> to you; they belong to the <b>people,</b> and have to be <b>earned,</b></i> you dumb motherfucker.<br /><br />In '04 I broke my promise to myself to never vote again after '00, after having a huge fight with the DW over my calling bullshit on Kerry and the Demotards and telling everybody I could about it, and telling them to vote for Nader or stay home. The DW pitched a huge fit, calling me a "subversive" and reminding me in an ominous tone, "remember, anybody but Bush". That pissed me off enough to motivate me to vote for Nader again. Still, I haven't voted since then at any level -- local, citywide, or national.<br /><br /><b>@ Anonymous:</b><br /><br />Demotard, <i>Demotard, <b>Demotard.</b></i><br /><br />So, there. "Civility" is overrated. Screw you.mike flugennockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794510018915607552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-60468369525714118252010-01-31T09:02:29.509-08:002010-01-31T09:02:29.509-08:00heh heh heh heh
maybe I was referring to Clarence...heh heh heh heh<br /><br />maybe I was referring to Clarence Thomas's sodapop can pubic hair?<br /><br />maybe I was referring to steel wool generally?<br /><br />or maybe I made up a new contraction for "brilliant".<br /><br />regardless, I demand my royalty be paid now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-78963861577052236862010-01-31T08:31:41.608-08:002010-01-31T08:31:41.608-08:00Oxtrot wrote:
"...Brillo..."
???
Shou...Oxtrot wrote:<br /><br /><i>"...Brillo..."</i><br /><br />???<br /><br />Shouldn't corporate product placements be a bannable offense, at least if they're unauthorized like this?ms_xenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948475740337847343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-88521214081445252042010-01-31T06:03:02.246-08:002010-01-31T06:03:02.246-08:00"Zinn changed minds. Obama changed addresses..."Zinn changed minds. Obama changed addresses."<br /><br />Well, that's probably the most accurate thing written in this entire thread.AlanSmitheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14302036848656627300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-75779390277748246862010-01-31T05:57:42.841-08:002010-01-31T05:57:42.841-08:00Actually, there were a few comments setting the Li...Actually, there <i>were</i> a few comments setting the Liberals straight on what Zinn was, and wasn't.<br /><br />My personal favorite comment on that thread -- short, sweet, and devestating:<br /><br /><i>Zinn changed minds. Obama changed addresses.</i>mike flugennockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794510018915607552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-84849969811067717152010-01-30T19:59:33.024-08:002010-01-30T19:59:33.024-08:00I'll see your two shits and raise you a wet fa...I'll see your two shits and raise you a wet fart!AlanSmitheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14302036848656627300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-13891756179118357132010-01-30T19:52:46.211-08:002010-01-30T19:52:46.211-08:00I'd even give two shits!
http://funk.co.uk/bl...I'd even give two shits!<br /><br />http://funk.co.uk/blogshit/shits/shit_9.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-29791305856030815592010-01-30T19:47:37.604-08:002010-01-30T19:47:37.604-08:00I suspect Anony's outrage over my language is ...I suspect Anony's outrage over my language is little more than a convenient excuse. Note the big fucking deal he makes about how the pwogs will "ignore" me if I offend their oh-so delicate sensibilities - as if I gave a shit.AlanSmitheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14302036848656627300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-5106733442649649512010-01-30T19:34:50.207-08:002010-01-30T19:34:50.207-08:00PS: "Anonymous," well done with the Lak...PS: "Anonymous," well done with the Lakoff-styled <i>framing</i> of the terms of debate. Clearly everyone's thoughts --which you have yet to divine, I remind you-- are dismissible by dint of the term "-tard" being tossed about. Yes, that's high culture you're upholding there. Brillo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-66792414002442564312010-01-30T19:29:43.968-08:002010-01-30T19:29:43.968-08:00Well, actually now I'm also saying that that f...<i>Well, actually now I'm also saying that that fact that I'm getting such pushback on it is kind of surprising.</i><br /><br />What I find surprising is that you feel physically "pushed" by someone making fun of your totally unconvincing play at puritanism. Yes, that's shocking all right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-20848204554325493902010-01-30T19:29:24.078-08:002010-01-30T19:29:24.078-08:00Trouble is, Anon, I could "self-reflect"...Trouble is, Anon, I could "self-reflect" until the cows come home, and it still wouldn't mean fuck-all to the people in Smithee's rogue's gallery. Great. We agree that using "-tard" is a suffix is hurtful and stupid. What happens after that? Anything else? Civilized discourse is great, but only if it actually leads to something beyond more civilized discourse.<br /><br />Nothing will mean anything to those folks, unless I can turn the clock back twenty years and scrape my head on the ground for some Democrat like I used to. And I reiterate, there are plenty of Lefty blogs out there that would be to your liking, if you're sincere about finding them.ms_xenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948475740337847343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-4532320355958688752010-01-30T19:16:42.255-08:002010-01-30T19:16:42.255-08:00Yeah, that's right, you fucking morons. Anyone...Yeah, that's right, you fucking morons. Anyone who dares to criticize your oh so perfect speech <b>MUST</b> be a Democrat, right? Believing that is SO much easier than considering that maybe you fucked up. Believing that is SO much easier than a little fucking self reflection.<br /><br />Well, have fun thinking up some new slurs to use. Maybe next you can start calling Obama a 'wetback kike' and all the Democrats 'spic cunts,' then you can all jack each other off about how fucking progressive you are.<br /><br />And that's nothing at all like freepers. <br /><br />Oh no, certainly not.<br /><br />You're not the least little bit like them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-38693121335487331942010-01-30T19:13:06.023-08:002010-01-30T19:13:06.023-08:00I dunno', Smithee. I have a long, long list o...I dunno', Smithee. I have a long, long list of terminology that I'd be happy to never see online or hear IRL, ever again. In addition to being offensive, it's also uncreative.<br /><br />The only real difference between my preferences and Anon's is that I don't think getting my preferences catered to is going to create a more humane world. It does make it easier for me to go around the internet without a Costco-sized bottle of aspirin, however.<br /><br />I'm greedy. I want it all: good speech and good action. I've also accepted that I'm not gonna' get it all. :/ms_xenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948475740337847343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-60380276441329643842010-01-30T19:06:18.438-08:002010-01-30T19:06:18.438-08:00Keep it up, Anony. Nobody here is impressed with ...Keep it up, Anony. Nobody here is impressed with your "I'm so concerned about the mentally handicapped" bullshit and no one is here to persuade you or your fauxgressive friends of shit. We're here to laugh at you.AlanSmitheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14302036848656627300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-36991209364915800992010-01-30T19:05:37.347-08:002010-01-30T19:05:37.347-08:00Then my recommendation to you, Anon, is to find a ...Then my recommendation to you, Anon, is to find a Lefty board where they don't use terminology that you consider offensive. As I said, they are out there.<br /><br />And I hope you spend as much time lecturing the Big Box Demo Blogs about their failings as you do lecturing a scraggly bunch of obscure Lefty bloggers about our failings.ms_xenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948475740337847343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-20019710675592626292010-01-30T19:01:15.439-08:002010-01-30T19:01:15.439-08:00Freepers have a similar problem, Ms. X. I think i...Freepers have a similar problem, Ms. X. I think it's something endemic to any closed, cult-like society. Polite speech is reserved for those already in the club.<br /><br />Take the average Obot demotard, for example. Dipshits like Anony will scream epithets at you all-caps style on the pwoggie blogs, then turn around and accuse you of offending their coral pink little ears for mentioning Ralph Nader's name.<br /><br />So, yeah, fuck 'em. These pwoggie bloggie dipshits have long forfeited any right to polite speech as far as I'm concerned. They can ram their oh-so delicate sensibilities right up their collective ass.AlanSmitheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14302036848656627300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-76301402726109692772010-01-30T18:53:18.024-08:002010-01-30T18:53:18.024-08:00Also, Ms. Xeno: using 'retard' as an insul...Also, Ms. Xeno: using 'retard' as an insult doesn't hurt Demos. It doesn't hurt pwoggers. It makes it easier for them to ignore you, just as you'd ignore someone who started out an argument with, "all those worthless niggers in congress."<br /><br />The people it <i>does</i> hurt are learning disabled people and their family and friends. And <b>they're not your enemies.</b><br /><br />And, despite your stupid fucking assumptions, neither am I. Yeah, third parts get the shitty end of the stick way too often. Yeah, there are a lot of fake-ass wannabe progressive bloggers out there who don't give a shit that Obama is ramping the war machine way the fuck up, and that one of his <i>very first</i> acts was to normalize torture and secret prisons in a way that Bush never could, because Obama does it with the tacit approval of not one but BOTH mainstream parties, and yeah, that needs to change. <br /><br />I don't give shit to the Democrats. Not my time, not my money, not my vote.<br /><br />But you know, the fact that when I say, "you are saying something really offensive (not offensive to your opponents, but offensive to innocent third parties), and you do it regularly, and you shouldn't" the response is not "whoops, my bad," it's "BUT THE DEMS SURE SUCK," well, that makes me question whether this lot is any better. <br /><br />That's the same fucking argument the Dems use! Don't you get it? <br /><br />"Here's this awful thing you're doing" <br />"Oh, but the other side does awful shit too"<br />"Oh, well, I guess that that makes it okay, then."<br /><br />Fuck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-39089155597275513052010-01-30T18:38:28.746-08:002010-01-30T18:38:28.746-08:00Christ, I'm not askign for worship, I'm ju...Christ, I'm not askign for worship, I'm just saying that there are some insults that are okay (asshole, idiot, sellout, fucker) and some that are not (retard, faggot, nigger). <br /><br />I dont think that this is all that controversial, is it?<br /><br />To emphasize again: <b>I've got no problem with insulting Democrats.</b> Call them asshole-o-crats or something. I've got no problem with insulting fake progressive bloggers, and though I think 'pwog' sounds like a Super Mario villain or something, I don't think it's offensive.<br /><br /> All I'm saying is that using 'retard' as an insult is uncool.<br /><br />Well, actually now I'm also saying that that fact that I'm getting such pushback on it is kind of surprising.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-24352665505964394682010-01-30T18:37:16.883-08:002010-01-30T18:37:16.883-08:00"I'm just saying that people who use '...<i>"I'm just saying that people who use 'retard' or its variations as an insult aren't that far away from people who use 'faggot' or 'nigger' as an insult."</i><br /><br />Then write *that*, Anon. Don't hinge the usage of an offensive term on whether you can take a whole raft of other issues seriously or not.<br /><br />Because, y'know, I really want to believe that expunging hurtful/offensive terminology from my vocabulary will make the world a better place. Then I take one more trip over to the spaces where these terms are unwelcome, and I read justification after justification of absolutely obscene and unforgivable acts perpetrated by Democrats-- excused over and over again by legions of Pwogs in their nice, pretty, expunged little monologues and dialogues.<br /><br />I see wholesale ignoring of not just sites like this, but feeds like OnTheWilderSide, which are very committed to the kind of writing you're advocating here. Do you ever read sites like that? Is there a Prog Blog out there that ever links to them? I've never seen one, yet I have the nagging suspicion that if a single offensive term got through the net, you Pwogs would be all over it. <i>See? See? That's the way those Dirty Greenies are! Uncultured! Bigoted! See?</i> Ironically, you confirm the practical value of offensive speech;it gets attention when nothing else apparently can/will. I guess all those years of watching your leaders play footsie with the Right and its pundit brigade has at least taught you something.<br /><br />And I draw the conclusion that Democrats are intolerant assholes hopelessly in love with their cozy closed "Bipartisan" shop, and just using stylistics as a bullshit smokescreen while they snub and/or bully people whom they never intended to treat in any other fashion, ever.ms_xenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948475740337847343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260336111007478020.post-18917624168912675042010-01-30T18:29:53.088-08:002010-01-30T18:29:53.088-08:00I'm so afraid of "hate speech" I'...I'm so afraid of "hate speech" I've stopped talking, and resort now to posting on the Internet, lecturing people as "Anonymous."<br /><br />Worship me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com